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		<title>By: Fr. Oliver Herbel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr. Oliver Herbel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isa, Matthew, 
As you both have guessed and/or already known, the problem really was Vilatte.  He simply was not stable.  The interest from the Eastern and Old Catholics did help wake up the Russian Mission.  The former allowed them to continue viewing missionary enterprises along Russophilic, pan-Slavic lines and the latter had the potential for some creativity.  Although one should remember that it&#039;s not &#039;til 1904 that New York becomes the new headquarters and North America is officially claimed, the 1890s definitely were a turning point.  There may well be local papers that discuss the relationship between Vilatte and the Russian Mission.  I have not looked into this.  If you find something on the ground, Isa, do let us know!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isa, Matthew,<br />
As you both have guessed and/or already known, the problem really was Vilatte.  He simply was not stable.  The interest from the Eastern and Old Catholics did help wake up the Russian Mission.  The former allowed them to continue viewing missionary enterprises along Russophilic, pan-Slavic lines and the latter had the potential for some creativity.  Although one should remember that it&#8217;s not &#8217;til 1904 that New York becomes the new headquarters and North America is officially claimed, the 1890s definitely were a turning point.  There may well be local papers that discuss the relationship between Vilatte and the Russian Mission.  I have not looked into this.  If you find something on the ground, Isa, do let us know!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Namee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Namee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 20:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your instincts are spot-on. Bp Vladimir was in Chicago on April 10 (Tribune, 4/11/1891) and the next day, he was in Green Bay (Milwaukee Sentinel, 4/12/1891). According to the latter source, Bp Vladimir came from Minnesota, &quot;where he went to visit his country men and establish a church.&quot; This was the visit during which Bp Vladimir received the Minneapolis Uniates into Orthodoxy.

As it turns out, I do have a source for Bp Nicholas&#039; visit in May 1892. According to Dom Augustine de Angelis in the Fond Du Lac Reporter (quoted in the Milwaukee Sentinel, 5/16/1892), &quot;Bishop Nicholas, head of the Greek church in America, visited the Old Catholic mission at Dyckesville, last Monday. He has been in America only a month and a half, but has already made his episcopal visitation of the Orthodox and Old Catholic churches, preparatory to his annual visitation of the vast region of Alaska and the Aleutian Islands. [...] His first impressions of America and Americans are very favorable, and he sympathizes with us in our hopes of seeing an Orthodox American church, in which mass shall be said in English, French, German, etc., until all have become so American that English shall be the common tongue of all...&quot;

So Bishop Nicholas, too, was lumping the Wisconsin Old Catholics in on his pastoral visit to the middle of the country. By September, Vilatte had gone off and created his own American Catholic Church.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your instincts are spot-on. Bp Vladimir was in Chicago on April 10 (Tribune, 4/11/1891) and the next day, he was in Green Bay (Milwaukee Sentinel, 4/12/1891). According to the latter source, Bp Vladimir came from Minnesota, &#8220;where he went to visit his country men and establish a church.&#8221; This was the visit during which Bp Vladimir received the Minneapolis Uniates into Orthodoxy.</p>
<p>As it turns out, I do have a source for Bp Nicholas&#8217; visit in May 1892. According to Dom Augustine de Angelis in the Fond Du Lac Reporter (quoted in the Milwaukee Sentinel, 5/16/1892), &#8220;Bishop Nicholas, head of the Greek church in America, visited the Old Catholic mission at Dyckesville, last Monday. He has been in America only a month and a half, but has already made his episcopal visitation of the Orthodox and Old Catholic churches, preparatory to his annual visitation of the vast region of Alaska and the Aleutian Islands. [...] His first impressions of America and Americans are very favorable, and he sympathizes with us in our hopes of seeing an Orthodox American church, in which mass shall be said in English, French, German, etc., until all have become so American that English shall be the common tongue of all&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>So Bishop Nicholas, too, was lumping the Wisconsin Old Catholics in on his pastoral visit to the middle of the country. By September, Vilatte had gone off and created his own American Catholic Church.</p>
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		<title>By: Isa Almisry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isa Almisry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I came across what purports to be a document from Bp. Vladimir, dated May 9, 1891
http://oldcatholichistory.org/pages/guestdocs/Biography%20on%20Vilatte%20by%20Bertil%20Persson.pdf

I wonder if the Episcopalians have any records. Grafton seems to have warned Bp. Vladimir about Vilatte. He may have had better luck with Bp. Nicholas, as the latter had it seems a cordial relationship with the Episcopalian bishops in San Francisco.

What is interesting is the timing: both Bps. Vladimir and Nicholas were receiving uniates nearby who had, like Vilatte, come to see then in SF; the foundation of a Church in nearby Chicago, the enactment of the claim to jurisdiction over North (and South) America, etc.  I wonder how far Dyckesville was from  the road between Chicago and Minneapolis in those days.

If I come across anything on Bp. Nicholas visiting, I&#039;ll share. I&#039;m intrigued if the oral histories of the Belgian at Green Bay
http://www.uwgb.edu/library/spc/local/belgian_oral.asp
if they have anything, along with any local papers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across what purports to be a document from Bp. Vladimir, dated May 9, 1891<br />
<a href="http://oldcatholichistory.org/pages/guestdocs/Biography%20on%20Vilatte%20by%20Bertil%20Persson.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://oldcatholichistory.org/pages/guestdocs/Biography%20on%20Vilatte%20by%20Bertil%20Persson.pdf</a></p>
<p>I wonder if the Episcopalians have any records. Grafton seems to have warned Bp. Vladimir about Vilatte. He may have had better luck with Bp. Nicholas, as the latter had it seems a cordial relationship with the Episcopalian bishops in San Francisco.</p>
<p>What is interesting is the timing: both Bps. Vladimir and Nicholas were receiving uniates nearby who had, like Vilatte, come to see then in SF; the foundation of a Church in nearby Chicago, the enactment of the claim to jurisdiction over North (and South) America, etc.  I wonder how far Dyckesville was from  the road between Chicago and Minneapolis in those days.</p>
<p>If I come across anything on Bp. Nicholas visiting, I&#8217;ll share. I&#8217;m intrigued if the oral histories of the Belgian at Green Bay<br />
<a href="http://www.uwgb.edu/library/spc/local/belgian_oral.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.uwgb.edu/library/spc/local/belgian_oral.asp</a><br />
if they have anything, along with any local papers.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Namee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Namee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Isa. I was aware of Bishop Vladimir&#039;s acceptance of Vilatte, and I probably should have mentioned it in the above article. This is the first I&#039;ve heard of Bishop Nicholas visiting Vilatte&#039;s community. I don&#039;t doubt that he visited, but I wonder what the visit involved. On September 11, 1892, the New York Times reported that Vilatte had created his &quot;American Catholic Church&quot; (which, many years later, the future Fr. Raphael Morgan would briefly join).

It&#039;s just a theory, but I suspect that Bishop Nicholas visited Vilatte to figure out exactly what he was dealing with. Bishop Nicholas was a smart man and a good bishop, and he probably discerned immediately that Vilatte was not really Orthodox at all. He probably required Vilatte to be more normatively Orthodox, and Vilatte probably said he&#039;d rather be more independent. Hence, a few months later, the creation of the American Catholic Church and the beginning of Vilatte&#039;s full-fledged vagante career.

If you find any contemporary sources for Bishop Nicholas&#039; visit, please let me know. I&#039;d like to publish an article on the whole 1891-92 Vilatte/Vladimir/Nicholas connection.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Isa. I was aware of Bishop Vladimir&#8217;s acceptance of Vilatte, and I probably should have mentioned it in the above article. This is the first I&#8217;ve heard of Bishop Nicholas visiting Vilatte&#8217;s community. I don&#8217;t doubt that he visited, but I wonder what the visit involved. On September 11, 1892, the New York Times reported that Vilatte had created his &#8220;American Catholic Church&#8221; (which, many years later, the future Fr. Raphael Morgan would briefly join).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a theory, but I suspect that Bishop Nicholas visited Vilatte to figure out exactly what he was dealing with. Bishop Nicholas was a smart man and a good bishop, and he probably discerned immediately that Vilatte was not really Orthodox at all. He probably required Vilatte to be more normatively Orthodox, and Vilatte probably said he&#8217;d rather be more independent. Hence, a few months later, the creation of the American Catholic Church and the beginning of Vilatte&#8217;s full-fledged vagante career.</p>
<p>If you find any contemporary sources for Bishop Nicholas&#8217; visit, please let me know. I&#8217;d like to publish an article on the whole 1891-92 Vilatte/Vladimir/Nicholas connection.</p>
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		<title>By: Isa Almisry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isa Almisry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 23:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve just stumbled over a couple, technical, things on WI. The interesting thing is not so much that the jurisdiction was Russian, or earlier than thought (1890/91), but that the earliest Orthodox parishes, though short lived, were Western Rite Orthodox:

1890 or early 1891 – Bishop Vladimir (Sokolovsky) of Alaska, the American representative of the Moscow Patriarchate, formally received a parish of Swiss Old Catholics at Dyckesville, near Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, as Western Rite parish.

May 1891, Bishop Vladimir (Sokolovsky), the head of the Russian Orthodox Church in the United States, referred to the Old Catholic flock of Green Bay contacting him through their cleric Fr. Vilatte (a big name in vaganti circles) as &quot;true &#039;Old Catholic-Orthodox Christians&#039; [now] under the patronage of our Church,&quot; after approving their confession of Faith and acts receiving them into Orhtodoxy, and refering their cause to the Holy Governing Synod.

Spring 1892 – Bishop Nicholas (Ziorov) the new successor to Bishop Vladimir made a pastoral visit to the Dyckesville/Fond du Lac parish.

http://books.google.com/books?id=zzxtXK3c1S0C&amp;pg=PA189&amp;lpg=PA189&amp;dq=Wisconsin+bishop+Vladimir&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=oQ28bSuSJP&amp;sig=LP0-UM529IEa91-brQAeIpdLlwQ&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=mDD0TOybFsbwngeEidmuCw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;q=Wisconsin%20bishop%20Vladimir&amp;f=false
http://stcolumbamonastery.org/what-is-orthodox-christianity/a-brief-timeline-of-the-western-rite/
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Abramtsov.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just stumbled over a couple, technical, things on WI. The interesting thing is not so much that the jurisdiction was Russian, or earlier than thought (1890/91), but that the earliest Orthodox parishes, though short lived, were Western Rite Orthodox:</p>
<p>1890 or early 1891 – Bishop Vladimir (Sokolovsky) of Alaska, the American representative of the Moscow Patriarchate, formally received a parish of Swiss Old Catholics at Dyckesville, near Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, as Western Rite parish.</p>
<p>May 1891, Bishop Vladimir (Sokolovsky), the head of the Russian Orthodox Church in the United States, referred to the Old Catholic flock of Green Bay contacting him through their cleric Fr. Vilatte (a big name in vaganti circles) as &#8220;true &#8216;Old Catholic-Orthodox Christians&#8217; [now] under the patronage of our Church,&#8221; after approving their confession of Faith and acts receiving them into Orhtodoxy, and refering their cause to the Holy Governing Synod.</p>
<p>Spring 1892 – Bishop Nicholas (Ziorov) the new successor to Bishop Vladimir made a pastoral visit to the Dyckesville/Fond du Lac parish.</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=zzxtXK3c1S0C&#038;pg=PA189&#038;lpg=PA189&#038;dq=Wisconsin+bishop+Vladimir&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=oQ28bSuSJP&#038;sig=LP0-UM529IEa91-brQAeIpdLlwQ&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=mDD0TOybFsbwngeEidmuCw&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=1&#038;ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&#038;q=Wisconsin%20bishop%20Vladimir&#038;f=false" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=zzxtXK3c1S0C&#038;pg=PA189&#038;lpg=PA189&#038;dq=Wisconsin+bishop+Vladimir&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=oQ28bSuSJP&#038;sig=LP0-UM529IEa91-brQAeIpdLlwQ&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=mDD0TOybFsbwngeEidmuCw&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=1&#038;ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&#038;q=Wisconsin%20bishop%20Vladimir&#038;f=false</a><br />
<a href="http://stcolumbamonastery.org/what-is-orthodox-christianity/a-brief-timeline-of-the-western-rite/" rel="nofollow">http://stcolumbamonastery.org/what-is-orthodox-christianity/a-brief-timeline-of-the-western-rite/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Abramtsov.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Abramtsov.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Isa Almisry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isa Almisry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Nevada: just came across a contemporary source (1920) that seems (I find it ambiguous) to indicate that both McGill and Ely had a parish (in the sense of a community, not necessarily a building, though it indicates McGill had that).

&quot;As early as 1867, Greek cotton merchants established a church in New Orleans, but with three or four exceptions, the congregations have come into existence within the past fifteen years. The Chicago community erected its first church in 1898. At numerous points, Services are held in temporary quarters. Congregations, but no church buildings, are reported at Columbus and Toledo, C; Vandegrift, Pa.; Stamford and Bridgeport, Conn.; Dover and Somersworth, N. H.; Memphis, Tenn.; Biddeford, Me. At McGill, Nev., the Greeks own a small chapel, but have no resident priest. At Ely, in the same State, there was a flourishing Greek colony some years ago, but the number has diminished because the mining companies employ other laborers more extensively. The Greeks met many discouragements in maintaining Services. They secured a priest but he grew homesick and went back to Athens in less than three months. They now send to Salt Lake City for a clergyman when need arises.&quot;
Neighbors: studies in immigration from the standpoint of the Episcopal church By Episcopal Church. Dept of missions and church extension.
http://books.google.com/books?id=EfYSAAAAYAAJ&amp;pg=PA52&amp;dq=McGill+Nev.,+Greeks&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=y3EXTPfZJYuuMua9gJ4L&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=2&amp;ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&amp;q=McGill%20Nev.%2C%20Greeks&amp;f=false

It is also interesting in that it discusses the contemporary activities of Meletios and Alexander in the US, and Met. Germanos and Bishop Aftimos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Nevada: just came across a contemporary source (1920) that seems (I find it ambiguous) to indicate that both McGill and Ely had a parish (in the sense of a community, not necessarily a building, though it indicates McGill had that).</p>
<p>&#8220;As early as 1867, Greek cotton merchants established a church in New Orleans, but with three or four exceptions, the congregations have come into existence within the past fifteen years. The Chicago community erected its first church in 1898. At numerous points, Services are held in temporary quarters. Congregations, but no church buildings, are reported at Columbus and Toledo, C; Vandegrift, Pa.; Stamford and Bridgeport, Conn.; Dover and Somersworth, N. H.; Memphis, Tenn.; Biddeford, Me. At McGill, Nev., the Greeks own a small chapel, but have no resident priest. At Ely, in the same State, there was a flourishing Greek colony some years ago, but the number has diminished because the mining companies employ other laborers more extensively. The Greeks met many discouragements in maintaining Services. They secured a priest but he grew homesick and went back to Athens in less than three months. They now send to Salt Lake City for a clergyman when need arises.&#8221;<br />
Neighbors: studies in immigration from the standpoint of the Episcopal church By Episcopal Church. Dept of missions and church extension.<br />
<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=EfYSAAAAYAAJ&#038;pg=PA52&#038;dq=McGill+Nev" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=EfYSAAAAYAAJ&#038;pg=PA52&#038;dq=McGill+Nev</a>.,+Greeks&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=y3EXTPfZJYuuMua9gJ4L&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=2&amp;ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&amp;q=McGill%20Nev.%2C%20Greeks&amp;f=false</p>
<p>It is also interesting in that it discusses the contemporary activities of Meletios and Alexander in the US, and Met. Germanos and Bishop Aftimos.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Namee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Namee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gregg, in addition to the OCA mission, there is also a well-established Greek church in Wilmington, St. Nicholas. It would certainly be appropriate for these two parishes to consider &quot;adopting&quot; the St. Helena church. I wonder, do the Orthodox in Wilmington even know about the St. Helena church? If you have contacts in the area, I&#039;d encourage you to let them know about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregg, in addition to the OCA mission, there is also a well-established Greek church in Wilmington, St. Nicholas. It would certainly be appropriate for these two parishes to consider &#8220;adopting&#8221; the St. Helena church. I wonder, do the Orthodox in Wilmington even know about the St. Helena church? If you have contacts in the area, I&#8217;d encourage you to let them know about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Namee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Namee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maria, it does look like the McGill church is the same as the early Ely church.

I did some searching, and it appears that the first Divine Liturgy celebrated in McGill took place on April 26, 1910. (See http://tiny.cc/QXrZw - the same source says that a large church was planned for central Ely, but was never constructed.)

Another source (http://tiny.cc/bkRb0) says that, in 1912, there were roughly 1600 Greeks living in White Pine County (which includes both Ely and McGill). However, that year, a strike led to the decline of the mining industry in the area, and most of the Greeks left. Another church, St. Alexios, was dedicated in Ely in 1930.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria, it does look like the McGill church is the same as the early Ely church.</p>
<p>I did some searching, and it appears that the first Divine Liturgy celebrated in McGill took place on April 26, 1910. (See <a href="http://tiny.cc/QXrZw" rel="nofollow">http://tiny.cc/QXrZw</a> &#8211; the same source says that a large church was planned for central Ely, but was never constructed.)</p>
<p>Another source (<a href="http://tiny.cc/bkRb0" rel="nofollow">http://tiny.cc/bkRb0</a>) says that, in 1912, there were roughly 1600 Greeks living in White Pine County (which includes both Ely and McGill). However, that year, a strike led to the decline of the mining industry in the area, and most of the Greeks left. Another church, St. Alexios, was dedicated in Ely in 1930.</p>
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		<title>By: ggg</title>
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		<dc:creator>ggg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Matthew for the info.  That piece from historicwilmington.org was the one that I read about 2 years ago.  It would be a shame to have this church simply fold -- I know that the OCA has a mission parish in Wilmington, NC.  Might be good if they or one of the other local Orthodox parishes could &quot;adopt&quot; the St Helena church and even hold services there once in a while.  

This is being done in Washington state in one of the oldest Orthodox churches in the lower 48 -- Holy Trinity in Wilkeson, Washington, which is about 45 min from Tacoma.  There is no longer any significant Orthodox presence in Wilkeson, but the local OCA parish in Tacoma, Wash., holds services in the historic Wilkeson church several times a year (including on their feast day on Pentecost).  I believe that this chapel was consecrated by St. Tikhon as well and I think dates back to 1896 or so.  It would be the oldest Orthodox parish in Washington state but I believe it was beat out by the Seattle parish by a couple of years.

-Gregg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Matthew for the info.  That piece from historicwilmington.org was the one that I read about 2 years ago.  It would be a shame to have this church simply fold &#8212; I know that the OCA has a mission parish in Wilmington, NC.  Might be good if they or one of the other local Orthodox parishes could &#8220;adopt&#8221; the St Helena church and even hold services there once in a while.  </p>
<p>This is being done in Washington state in one of the oldest Orthodox churches in the lower 48 &#8212; Holy Trinity in Wilkeson, Washington, which is about 45 min from Tacoma.  There is no longer any significant Orthodox presence in Wilkeson, but the local OCA parish in Tacoma, Wash., holds services in the historic Wilkeson church several times a year (including on their feast day on Pentecost).  I believe that this chapel was consecrated by St. Tikhon as well and I think dates back to 1896 or so.  It would be the oldest Orthodox parish in Washington state but I believe it was beat out by the Seattle parish by a couple of years.</p>
<p>-Gregg</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Namee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Namee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait a second -- I may have found something about the St. Helena, NC parish.

On the website city-data.com (http://tiny.cc/7MOHa), they list a ROCOR parish in Pender County, NC (which includes St. Helena) in 2000. This parish is not listed in ROCOR&#039;s parish directory, so it either has closed since 2000, or, as a semi-functioning parish, is not listed in the official directory.

The website historicwilmington.org had an article on the parish in 2007 (http://www.historicwilmington.org/documents/St%20Peter&amp;Paul.pdf). This article says that there are just four (4) parishioners who meet on Sundays and listen to a recording of the Divine Liturgy. There hasn&#039;t been a priest since 1998; it&#039;s not clear whether that means that there hasn&#039;t been a RESIDENT priest since then, or that there hasn&#039;t even been a visiting priest. Anyway, this article is worth reading.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a second &#8212; I may have found something about the St. Helena, NC parish.</p>
<p>On the website city-data.com (<a href="http://tiny.cc/7MOHa" rel="nofollow">http://tiny.cc/7MOHa</a>), they list a ROCOR parish in Pender County, NC (which includes St. Helena) in 2000. This parish is not listed in ROCOR&#8217;s parish directory, so it either has closed since 2000, or, as a semi-functioning parish, is not listed in the official directory.</p>
<p>The website historicwilmington.org had an article on the parish in 2007 (<a href="http://www.historicwilmington.org/documents/St%20Peter&#038;Paul.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.historicwilmington.org/documents/St%20Peter&#038;Paul.pdf</a>). This article says that there are just four (4) parishioners who meet on Sundays and listen to a recording of the Divine Liturgy. There hasn&#8217;t been a priest since 1998; it&#8217;s not clear whether that means that there hasn&#8217;t been a RESIDENT priest since then, or that there hasn&#8217;t even been a visiting priest. Anyway, this article is worth reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Namee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Namee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To ggg, regarding the Russian church in St. Helena, NC:

The 1916 Census of Religious Bodies lists no Russian parishes in North Carolina. I don&#039;t have the full 1926 Census, but the 1936 Census does list one Russian church in the state (though it doesn&#039;t give the city). This parish is listed as &quot;rural,&quot; and it had 67 members (35 men, 32 women). It would have been under the jurisdiction of the Metropolia (today&#039;s OCA). However, as you indicated, no such parish is listed on the OCA website, and I couldn&#039;t find it in the SCOBA parish directory (which includes ROCOR). There are no Moscow Patriarchal parishes in North Carolina, either.

I found a newspaper article (perhaps the same one you found), in the Wilmington Star-News, dated 3/9/1980. (To read it, visit this URL: http://tiny.cc/Ve316) The article says that the parish was founded in 1932, but lost a lot of parishioners after World War II, and was on the brink of closure in 1980. I suspect that only the building survives today.

Given the founding date (1932), it looks like this parish came along a decade after the Greek church in Asheville. Still, it is worth remembering. Thank you for calling it to my attention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To ggg, regarding the Russian church in St. Helena, NC:</p>
<p>The 1916 Census of Religious Bodies lists no Russian parishes in North Carolina. I don&#8217;t have the full 1926 Census, but the 1936 Census does list one Russian church in the state (though it doesn&#8217;t give the city). This parish is listed as &#8220;rural,&#8221; and it had 67 members (35 men, 32 women). It would have been under the jurisdiction of the Metropolia (today&#8217;s OCA). However, as you indicated, no such parish is listed on the OCA website, and I couldn&#8217;t find it in the SCOBA parish directory (which includes ROCOR). There are no Moscow Patriarchal parishes in North Carolina, either.</p>
<p>I found a newspaper article (perhaps the same one you found), in the Wilmington Star-News, dated 3/9/1980. (To read it, visit this URL: <a href="http://tiny.cc/Ve316" rel="nofollow">http://tiny.cc/Ve316</a>) The article says that the parish was founded in 1932, but lost a lot of parishioners after World War II, and was on the brink of closure in 1980. I suspect that only the building survives today.</p>
<p>Given the founding date (1932), it looks like this parish came along a decade after the Greek church in Asheville. Still, it is worth remembering. Thank you for calling it to my attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Namee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Namee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maria: I can&#039;t find a name for the early Ely parish. I do know that the priest from (at least) 1911-1915 was Fr. Germanos Georgiou. In 1916, he became the priest of St. John the Baptist Church in Pueblo, CO. Does the history of the McGill parish, written by Fr. George Sardounis, mention Fr. Germanos Georgiou?

Also, in the 1916 Census of Religious Bodies, there is only one Greek church listed in Nevada. The Census doesn&#039;t give the city, but this does suggest that the Ely parish is identical with the McGill parish which you mentioned.

Finally, would you be willing to send me a copy of Fr. George Sardounis&#039; history of the McGill church? I&#039;d love to add it to my archives. My email address is mfnamee [at] gmail [dot] com. Thank you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria: I can&#8217;t find a name for the early Ely parish. I do know that the priest from (at least) 1911-1915 was Fr. Germanos Georgiou. In 1916, he became the priest of St. John the Baptist Church in Pueblo, CO. Does the history of the McGill parish, written by Fr. George Sardounis, mention Fr. Germanos Georgiou?</p>
<p>Also, in the 1916 Census of Religious Bodies, there is only one Greek church listed in Nevada. The Census doesn&#8217;t give the city, but this does suggest that the Ely parish is identical with the McGill parish which you mentioned.</p>
<p>Finally, would you be willing to send me a copy of Fr. George Sardounis&#8217; history of the McGill church? I&#8217;d love to add it to my archives. My email address is mfnamee [at] gmail [dot] com. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: ggg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great discussion.  Concerning North Carolina... When I used to live there I read a fascinating piece on a St Peter &amp; Paul (Russian) Orthodox Church in St. Helena, NC (located off of I-40 not far from Wilmington, NC).  Apparently the church is very old, and nearly abandoned now, sadly.  A google search shows that it&#039;s on the list of most threatened places in the county.  The article (I think from the Wilmington, NC, paper, or the Raleigh News &amp; Observer?) stated that a few parishioners still there listen to a recording of Divine Liturgy in church on Sunday mornings.

I cannot find this parish on any listing of any diocese.  Does anyone know its status?  Is it OCA?  ROCOR?  Moscow Patriarchate, or other?  

Is it possible that this church could pre-date the Greek church in Asheville?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion.  Concerning North Carolina&#8230; When I used to live there I read a fascinating piece on a St Peter &amp; Paul (Russian) Orthodox Church in St. Helena, NC (located off of I-40 not far from Wilmington, NC).  Apparently the church is very old, and nearly abandoned now, sadly.  A google search shows that it&#8217;s on the list of most threatened places in the county.  The article (I think from the Wilmington, NC, paper, or the Raleigh News &amp; Observer?) stated that a few parishioners still there listen to a recording of Divine Liturgy in church on Sunday mornings.</p>
<p>I cannot find this parish on any listing of any diocese.  Does anyone know its status?  Is it OCA?  ROCOR?  Moscow Patriarchate, or other?  </p>
<p>Is it possible that this church could pre-date the Greek church in Asheville?</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm... that is very interesting. Does your list give the name of the parish? I wonder if they attributed St. Barbara&#039;s to Ely, as it has always been the larger town and is the county seat of White Pine. There have only been 2 church buildings of the orthodox faith in White Pine County: St. Barbara&#039;s of McGill (1910) and St. Alexios of Ely (1940). The Archives only has 1 document on St. Barbara&#039;s. It was written by Fr. George Sardounis who was our parish priest from 1917-1919, and he states our parish was est. in 1911 and our congregation was listed as 400. There were a lot of plans in the early 1900&#039;s to build other parish&#039;s, but these are the only 2 that actually came about. Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; that is very interesting. Does your list give the name of the parish? I wonder if they attributed St. Barbara&#8217;s to Ely, as it has always been the larger town and is the county seat of White Pine. There have only been 2 church buildings of the orthodox faith in White Pine County: St. Barbara&#8217;s of McGill (1910) and St. Alexios of Ely (1940). The Archives only has 1 document on St. Barbara&#8217;s. It was written by Fr. George Sardounis who was our parish priest from 1917-1919, and he states our parish was est. in 1911 and our congregation was listed as 400. There were a lot of plans in the early 1900&#8242;s to build other parish&#8217;s, but these are the only 2 that actually came about. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Namee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Namee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maria,

Thanks for this information. I wasn&#039;t aware of the McGill church, and would love to learn more. However, I do know that there was a Greek church in Ely by at least 1911. I have a list of parishes from that year, and Ely is included. From what I have heard, that early Ely parish closed, for some reason. It&#039;s possible that another opened later, unconnected to the first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria,</p>
<p>Thanks for this information. I wasn&#8217;t aware of the McGill church, and would love to learn more. However, I do know that there was a Greek church in Ely by at least 1911. I have a list of parishes from that year, and Ely is included. From what I have heard, that early Ely parish closed, for some reason. It&#8217;s possible that another opened later, unconnected to the first.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxhistory.org/2009/08/31/the-first-churches-state-by-state/comment-page-1/#comment-618</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This information is excellent - thank you so much for sharing it with us. I do need to make one correction however. The first Greek Orthodox Church in Nevada was St. Barbara&#039;s in 1910, located in the small mining town of McGill, White Pine Co., Nevada. The Greek church you mentioned in Ely, is located about 13 miles from McGill and wasn&#039;t built until the 1950&#039;s. I am in the process of writing St. Barbara&#039;s history, and I think the congregation actually started in 1907 (according to old newspapers). All our church records were stolen in the mid-1950&#039;s, so I&#039;m actually finding very little information. And I was so pleased to discover your website and all your information! Thank you...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This information is excellent &#8211; thank you so much for sharing it with us. I do need to make one correction however. The first Greek Orthodox Church in Nevada was St. Barbara&#8217;s in 1910, located in the small mining town of McGill, White Pine Co., Nevada. The Greek church you mentioned in Ely, is located about 13 miles from McGill and wasn&#8217;t built until the 1950&#8242;s. I am in the process of writing St. Barbara&#8217;s history, and I think the congregation actually started in 1907 (according to old newspapers). All our church records were stolen in the mid-1950&#8242;s, so I&#8217;m actually finding very little information. And I was so pleased to discover your website and all your information! Thank you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Namee</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxhistory.org/2009/08/31/the-first-churches-state-by-state/comment-page-1/#comment-481</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Namee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this information. I am curious, though, why the Brookside parish would not appear on the Russian Archdiocese&#039;s official list of parishes in 1906. I don&#039;t mean this as a challenge, but simply as an honest question -- what evidence do you have that the parish was Orthodox from 1894? I&#039;d love to see the research you&#039;ve done. (Again, I don&#039;t doubt that you have the evidence -- I&#039;d just be very interested to see it.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this information. I am curious, though, why the Brookside parish would not appear on the Russian Archdiocese&#8217;s official list of parishes in 1906. I don&#8217;t mean this as a challenge, but simply as an honest question &#8212; what evidence do you have that the parish was Orthodox from 1894? I&#8217;d love to see the research you&#8217;ve done. (Again, I don&#8217;t doubt that you have the evidence &#8212; I&#8217;d just be very interested to see it.)</p>
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		<title>By: ssglover</title>
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		<dc:creator>ssglover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am an historian of the Brookside community and her Russian and Slovak community there.  All church records show that the congregation was indeed founded in 1894 by immigrants from the Carpatho-Rusyn mountain range and Galacia.   The first temple was named for St. George and that temple was destroyed by tornado.  The second temple was named Protection of the Mother of God and was destroyed by fire.  The third temple was erected in 1916 and named for St. Nicholas.  My research shows that it was always an Orthodox parish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an historian of the Brookside community and her Russian and Slovak community there.  All church records show that the congregation was indeed founded in 1894 by immigrants from the Carpatho-Rusyn mountain range and Galacia.   The first temple was named for St. George and that temple was destroyed by tornado.  The second temple was named Protection of the Mother of God and was destroyed by fire.  The third temple was erected in 1916 and named for St. Nicholas.  My research shows that it was always an Orthodox parish.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Namee</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxhistory.org/2009/08/31/the-first-churches-state-by-state/comment-page-1/#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Namee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I checked the book Orthodox America: 1794-1976 (published by the OCA in 1975). Here&#039;s what it says about Brookside:

&quot;St. Nicholas Church in Brookside, Alabama, was organized in 1894 by immigrants from Austro-Hungary who came to work in the Alabama coal fields. At that time, Brookside was a much larger town than at present, and the Slavs held a predominant position in local affairs. The first temple was destroyed by a tornado, the second church was leveled in 1912 by fire. In 1916 the present structure was built. Around 1926, many parishioners migrated to the Cleveland, Ohio, area because of the depletion of the coal resources, and the parish was greatly reduced in numbers.&quot;

I also checked the lists of parishes again, and Brookside definitely does not appear on the 1906 list. My suspicion is still that the parish began as Uniate in 1894 and converted to Orthodoxy at some point between 1906 and 1911, but I can&#039;t confirm that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked the book Orthodox America: 1794-1976 (published by the OCA in 1975). Here&#8217;s what it says about Brookside:</p>
<p>&#8220;St. Nicholas Church in Brookside, Alabama, was organized in 1894 by immigrants from Austro-Hungary who came to work in the Alabama coal fields. At that time, Brookside was a much larger town than at present, and the Slavs held a predominant position in local affairs. The first temple was destroyed by a tornado, the second church was leveled in 1912 by fire. In 1916 the present structure was built. Around 1926, many parishioners migrated to the Cleveland, Ohio, area because of the depletion of the coal resources, and the parish was greatly reduced in numbers.&#8221;</p>
<p>I also checked the lists of parishes again, and Brookside definitely does not appear on the 1906 list. My suspicion is still that the parish began as Uniate in 1894 and converted to Orthodoxy at some point between 1906 and 1911, but I can&#8217;t confirm that.</p>
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		<title>By: patrickcmb</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrickcmb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am pursuingany available documentation of the official story of the parish. Brookside was originally settled by miners from Slovakia (village of Slovinsky) and they were Uniate. The official story, however, is that many of them became Orthodox and began an Orthodox parish in 1894. The remainder eventually became Latin Rite Catholics and the Orthodox and Catholic churches were just across the street from each other. The Catholic church was sold to protestants a few years ago and there is ow no Catholic presence in the village.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pursuingany available documentation of the official story of the parish. Brookside was originally settled by miners from Slovakia (village of Slovinsky) and they were Uniate. The official story, however, is that many of them became Orthodox and began an Orthodox parish in 1894. The remainder eventually became Latin Rite Catholics and the Orthodox and Catholic churches were just across the street from each other. The Catholic church was sold to protestants a few years ago and there is ow no Catholic presence in the village.</p>
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