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		<title>By: Matthew Namee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Namee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting. Thanks for posting this, Isa.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting. Thanks for posting this, Isa.</p>
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		<title>By: Isa Almisry</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxhistory.org/2010/03/22/today-in-history-the-first-albanian-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-1081</link>
		<dc:creator>Isa Almisry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 04:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An interesting contemporary view: the ordiniation of Fan Noli and the issuance of the Tomos of 1908 happened within days of each other.  The official organ of the Alexandrian Patriarchate, in its Greek Press section has this in 1908:

&quot;The &quot;Pan-Hellenic Power/State&quot; nonetheless [the quotation comes after the discussion by the professor of International Law at the National University of Greece on the then recent 1908 Tomos] taking as a starting point from the retention of the Russian bishop in Alaska, expresses the opinion &quot;that Ecumenical Patriarchate did wrong, both to the canons of the Church and according to [the fact] that it had no right to transfer to the Church of Greece the privilege furnished it by the Ecumenical Councils.” But it asks “for what justification does the Russian Church retain its jurisdiction over the Church of Alaska  and after the Cession of it to the United States, if the Tomos of the Great Church requires among the Greek Churches in the diaspora, in order that the jurisdiction of the Sacred Synod of Greece be extended over them? And this certainly—adding further—if uncanonical, would be the lesser evil.  Scandalousness yet results from the establishment of this Russia bishop of Alaska in the United States and the extension of his spiritual authority automatically and besides the justification of no one over the whole of America. And most rightly whenever the bishop thus shall make an ordination of priests and &#039; founding churches independently as it committed some time before through the ordination of the Albanian Noli a priest of the “independent Orthodox Albanian Church in the United States and Canada” creating the employment of the Albanian language in its rites and this be regarded scandal amid other Orthodox Churches of the New World,  which according as Greeks, and further by the new Tomos were already brought under under the spiritual rule of the Church of Greece, required to commemorate the name of the Ecumenical Patriarch; to receive from him the holy chrism, to receive his blessings and to offer some quantiy for the fund of the Patriarchate. We believe that “this issue will be regarded the earnest position of the discussion in the Sacred Synod of the Great Church, and so quite rightly so, as much as besides the Russian bishop of Alaska having ordained Mr. Noli entitled as priest of the Orthodox Albanian episcopacy of the United States and Canada and in the choice, this wrought in Boston in Albanian, dealing irreverently towards the Patriarch and promised that independent Albanian and Orthodox Church will be founded everywhere gearing up to ordain a bishop also.&quot;
http://books.google.com/books?id=YqpCAAAAYAAJ&amp;pg=RA4-PA79&amp;lpg=RA4-PA79&amp;dq=%CE%A4%CE%BF+%C2%AB%CE%A0%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AE%CE%BD%CE%B9%CE%BF%CE%BD+%CE%9A%CF%81%CE%AC%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%82%C2%BB+%E1%BD%85%CE%BC%CF%89%CF%82,+%CE%AC%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%81%CE%BC%CE%AE%CE%BD+%CE%BB%CE%B1%CE%BC%CE%B2%CE%AC%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%BD+%CE%B5%CE%BA+%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82+%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%81%CE%AE%CF%83%CE%B5%CF%89%CF%82+%CF%81%CF%8E%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85+%CE%B5%CF%80%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%BA%CF%8C%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%85+%CE%B5%CE%BD&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=-iYjmxjyNB&amp;sig=VwutxmJV9_yobHSALxZHRJt01nQ&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=MM00TJ_oMZKUnQfcrPXWAw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false

Of course, the fears were well founded: Fan Noli was ordained a bishop and had a large role to found the autocephalous Church of Albania, such that the Mother Church is in Boston, the Albanian Archdiocese of the OCA. It is also interesting that it insists on calling St. Tikhon as &quot;Russian Bishop of America,&quot; when he had already been given the title &quot;Archbishop of North America and the Aleutians&quot; and had his see formally set up in NYC, which Archbishoprick and see Archb. Platon had succeeded to the prior year. Alaska already had a suffragan to the primate of North America, who had nothing to do with what was going on in Boston.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting contemporary view: the ordiniation of Fan Noli and the issuance of the Tomos of 1908 happened within days of each other.  The official organ of the Alexandrian Patriarchate, in its Greek Press section has this in 1908:</p>
<p>&#8220;The &#8220;Pan-Hellenic Power/State&#8221; nonetheless [the quotation comes after the discussion by the professor of International Law at the National University of Greece on the then recent 1908 Tomos] taking as a starting point from the retention of the Russian bishop in Alaska, expresses the opinion &#8220;that Ecumenical Patriarchate did wrong, both to the canons of the Church and according to [the fact] that it had no right to transfer to the Church of Greece the privilege furnished it by the Ecumenical Councils.” But it asks “for what justification does the Russian Church retain its jurisdiction over the Church of Alaska  and after the Cession of it to the United States, if the Tomos of the Great Church requires among the Greek Churches in the diaspora, in order that the jurisdiction of the Sacred Synod of Greece be extended over them? And this certainly—adding further—if uncanonical, would be the lesser evil.  Scandalousness yet results from the establishment of this Russia bishop of Alaska in the United States and the extension of his spiritual authority automatically and besides the justification of no one over the whole of America. And most rightly whenever the bishop thus shall make an ordination of priests and &#8216; founding churches independently as it committed some time before through the ordination of the Albanian Noli a priest of the “independent Orthodox Albanian Church in the United States and Canada” creating the employment of the Albanian language in its rites and this be regarded scandal amid other Orthodox Churches of the New World,  which according as Greeks, and further by the new Tomos were already brought under under the spiritual rule of the Church of Greece, required to commemorate the name of the Ecumenical Patriarch; to receive from him the holy chrism, to receive his blessings and to offer some quantiy for the fund of the Patriarchate. We believe that “this issue will be regarded the earnest position of the discussion in the Sacred Synod of the Great Church, and so quite rightly so, as much as besides the Russian bishop of Alaska having ordained Mr. Noli entitled as priest of the Orthodox Albanian episcopacy of the United States and Canada and in the choice, this wrought in Boston in Albanian, dealing irreverently towards the Patriarch and promised that independent Albanian and Orthodox Church will be founded everywhere gearing up to ordain a bishop also.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=YqpCAAAAYAAJ&#038;pg=RA4-PA79&#038;lpg=RA4-PA79&#038;dq=%CE%A4%CE%BF+%C2%AB%CE%A0%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AE%CE%BD%CE%B9%CE%BF%CE%BD+%CE%9A%CF%81%CE%AC%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%82%C2%BB+%E1%BD%85%CE%BC%CF%89%CF%82,+%CE%AC%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%81%CE%BC%CE%AE%CE%BD+%CE%BB%CE%B1%CE%BC%CE%B2%CE%AC%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%BD+%CE%B5%CE%BA+%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82+%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%81%CE%AE%CF%83%CE%B5%CF%89%CF%82+%CF%81%CF%8E%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85+%CE%B5%CF%80%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%BA%CF%8C%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%85+%CE%B5%CE%BD&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=-iYjmxjyNB&#038;sig=VwutxmJV9_yobHSALxZHRJt01nQ&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=MM00TJ_oMZKUnQfcrPXWAw&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=1&#038;ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&#038;q&#038;f=false" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=YqpCAAAAYAAJ&#038;pg=RA4-PA79&#038;lpg=RA4-PA79&#038;dq=%CE%A4%CE%BF+%C2%AB%CE%A0%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AE%CE%BD%CE%B9%CE%BF%CE%BD+%CE%9A%CF%81%CE%AC%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%82%C2%BB+%E1%BD%85%CE%BC%CF%89%CF%82,+%CE%AC%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%81%CE%BC%CE%AE%CE%BD+%CE%BB%CE%B1%CE%BC%CE%B2%CE%AC%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%BD+%CE%B5%CE%BA+%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82+%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%81%CE%AE%CF%83%CE%B5%CF%89%CF%82+%CF%81%CF%8E%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85+%CE%B5%CF%80%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%BA%CF%8C%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%85+%CE%B5%CE%BD&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=-iYjmxjyNB&#038;sig=VwutxmJV9_yobHSALxZHRJt01nQ&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=MM00TJ_oMZKUnQfcrPXWAw&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=1&#038;ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&#038;q&#038;f=false</a></p>
<p>Of course, the fears were well founded: Fan Noli was ordained a bishop and had a large role to found the autocephalous Church of Albania, such that the Mother Church is in Boston, the Albanian Archdiocese of the OCA. It is also interesting that it insists on calling St. Tikhon as &#8220;Russian Bishop of America,&#8221; when he had already been given the title &#8220;Archbishop of North America and the Aleutians&#8221; and had his see formally set up in NYC, which Archbishoprick and see Archb. Platon had succeeded to the prior year. Alaska already had a suffragan to the primate of North America, who had nothing to do with what was going on in Boston.</p>
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