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	<title>Comments on: Archbishop Arseny Post 4: The Defense Completes its Case</title>
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		<title>By: Fr. Oliver Herbel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr. Oliver Herbel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Rich.  It is always a joy to encounter someone so informed.  Your points are all well taken.  I was simply trying to present things in a nutshell and keep things streamlined.  So it seemed easy to just call it a Greek Catholic paper in 1909, but you are correct to note the ethnic tensions that were very very much at play here.  My sincere apologies for not properly accounting for this.  Thank you, again, for reading and responding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Rich.  It is always a joy to encounter someone so informed.  Your points are all well taken.  I was simply trying to present things in a nutshell and keep things streamlined.  So it seemed easy to just call it a Greek Catholic paper in 1909, but you are correct to note the ethnic tensions that were very very much at play here.  My sincere apologies for not properly accounting for this.  Thank you, again, for reading and responding.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Custer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Custer</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christ is Risen!
Father, bless.

&gt;So, he was Orthodox while writing the pieces critical of the Orthodox Church for a Greek Catholic paper.

As you probably realize, Svoboda was the official publication of the Little Russian National Union, which in 1914 became the Ukrainian National Association.  The LRNU was founded as a *secular* organization to which any &quot;Rusyn&quot; (as Ukrainians were then called, and inclusive of Carpatho-Rusyns) could belong.  While the vast majority of its membership was Greek Catholic by faith, there was no religious test for membership and Svoboda was not, per se, a Greek Catholic religious paper.  It was not until the LRNU&#039;s 1908 convention (mid-July) that a resolution was passed to require that members were by faith Greek Catholics in union with Rome or Latin Catholics, and made Bishop Soter Ortyns&#039;kyi the patron of the organization.  By 1911 Ortyns&#039;kyi had moved on to a new, specifically Catholic fraternal (Provydinnia), and by 1914 Svoboda was denouncing Ortyns&#039;kyi&#039;s rule.  In 1914, the LRNU was renamed Ukrainian National Association and no longer had any religious test for membership.  (Incidentally, even St. Alexis Toth was affiliated with the LRNU at one time, having been a member at its 1894 founding, when he was already Orthodox and pastor in Wilkes-Barre.)

Svoboda, for virtually all of its history, was a secular newspaper published by a secular organization.  In my opinion, characterizing it here as a Greek Catholic paper is problematic (even if, computing the exact date of the articles in question vs. the exact date of changing of the bylaws of its owners, it may have been officially so at the time).  Its position was pro-Ukrainian and I would say that its attacks on Russian Orthodox clergy would be primarily on an ethnonational basis to defend against the large numbers of Rusyns who were becoming *Russian* Orthodox and their clergy who were ostensibly antagonistic to the Ukrainian national idea the paper and its owner were propagating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christ is Risen!<br />
Father, bless.</p>
<p>&gt;So, he was Orthodox while writing the pieces critical of the Orthodox Church for a Greek Catholic paper.</p>
<p>As you probably realize, Svoboda was the official publication of the Little Russian National Union, which in 1914 became the Ukrainian National Association.  The LRNU was founded as a *secular* organization to which any &#8220;Rusyn&#8221; (as Ukrainians were then called, and inclusive of Carpatho-Rusyns) could belong.  While the vast majority of its membership was Greek Catholic by faith, there was no religious test for membership and Svoboda was not, per se, a Greek Catholic religious paper.  It was not until the LRNU&#8217;s 1908 convention (mid-July) that a resolution was passed to require that members were by faith Greek Catholics in union with Rome or Latin Catholics, and made Bishop Soter Ortyns&#8217;kyi the patron of the organization.  By 1911 Ortyns&#8217;kyi had moved on to a new, specifically Catholic fraternal (Provydinnia), and by 1914 Svoboda was denouncing Ortyns&#8217;kyi&#8217;s rule.  In 1914, the LRNU was renamed Ukrainian National Association and no longer had any religious test for membership.  (Incidentally, even St. Alexis Toth was affiliated with the LRNU at one time, having been a member at its 1894 founding, when he was already Orthodox and pastor in Wilkes-Barre.)</p>
<p>Svoboda, for virtually all of its history, was a secular newspaper published by a secular organization.  In my opinion, characterizing it here as a Greek Catholic paper is problematic (even if, computing the exact date of the articles in question vs. the exact date of changing of the bylaws of its owners, it may have been officially so at the time).  Its position was pro-Ukrainian and I would say that its attacks on Russian Orthodox clergy would be primarily on an ethnonational basis to defend against the large numbers of Rusyns who were becoming *Russian* Orthodox and their clergy who were ostensibly antagonistic to the Ukrainian national idea the paper and its owner were propagating.</p>
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