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		<title>By: PA</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxhistory.org/2011/06/15/rocor-oca-episcopal-concelebration/comment-page-1/#comment-1473</link>
		<dc:creator>PA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 07:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As far as concelebrations before 2007, I cannot say. But it is without dispute that ROCOR&#039;s Bishop Jerome (Shaw) of Manhattan concelebrated the enthronement liturgy of present OCA Metropolitan Jonah at St. Nicholas Cathedral on December 28, 2008. Bishop Jerome is shown fully vested with the other clergy in the group photo taken after the liturgy. He is to the right of the ever-memorable Archbishop Job (Osacky) in the left side of the photo, though his face is partially obscured by the person in front of him. Among other sites, the photo is included at http://www.archdiocese.ca/news/2008/2008.12.28.Jonah.htm

Beyond that, Bishop Jerome is listed as an official concelebrant here: http://www.oca.org/news/1735
The relevant text reads: &quot;Hierarchs from North American jurisdictions taking part in the Enthronement included His Eminence, Metropolitan Christopher of the Serbian Orthodox Mid-western Diocese, His Eminence, Archbishop Nicolae of the Romanian Orthodox Archdiocese in America and Canada, His Grace, Bishop Thomas of the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America and His Grace, Bishop Jerome of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as concelebrations before 2007, I cannot say. But it is without dispute that ROCOR&#8217;s Bishop Jerome (Shaw) of Manhattan concelebrated the enthronement liturgy of present OCA Metropolitan Jonah at St. Nicholas Cathedral on December 28, 2008. Bishop Jerome is shown fully vested with the other clergy in the group photo taken after the liturgy. He is to the right of the ever-memorable Archbishop Job (Osacky) in the left side of the photo, though his face is partially obscured by the person in front of him. Among other sites, the photo is included at <a href="http://www.archdiocese.ca/news/2008/2008.12.28.Jonah.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.archdiocese.ca/news/2008/2008.12.28.Jonah.htm</a></p>
<p>Beyond that, Bishop Jerome is listed as an official concelebrant here: <a href="http://www.oca.org/news/1735" rel="nofollow">http://www.oca.org/news/1735</a><br />
The relevant text reads: &#8220;Hierarchs from North American jurisdictions taking part in the Enthronement included His Eminence, Metropolitan Christopher of the Serbian Orthodox Mid-western Diocese, His Eminence, Archbishop Nicolae of the Romanian Orthodox Archdiocese in America and Canada, His Grace, Bishop Thomas of the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America and His Grace, Bishop Jerome of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Fr. Andrew S. Damick</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxhistory.org/2011/06/15/rocor-oca-episcopal-concelebration/comment-page-1/#comment-1472</link>
		<dc:creator>Fr. Andrew S. Damick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the major problems, however, was that Platon was himself a refugee who had abandoned his diocese (Odessa) and was in exile in America.  He was popularly re-appointed, but then later commanded to step down by St. Tikhon.  He disobeyed, and the Metropolia declared itself self-governing in response.  The only bishop at the foundational meeting of the ROCOR who truly had a duly assigned diocese was Evlogy.

Also, it should be noted after Theophilus Pashkovsky reunited with the ROCOR in the &#039;30s, the local ROCOR and Metropolia bishops became part of one synod, and Theophilus himself did not function autonomously, but asked permission from the synod in Karlovtsy to do things like consecrate bishops and give clergy awards.

Most of this can be found in Serafim Surrency&#039;s book, which used to be very hard to find, but I believe may have been reprinted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the major problems, however, was that Platon was himself a refugee who had abandoned his diocese (Odessa) and was in exile in America.  He was popularly re-appointed, but then later commanded to step down by St. Tikhon.  He disobeyed, and the Metropolia declared itself self-governing in response.  The only bishop at the foundational meeting of the ROCOR who truly had a duly assigned diocese was Evlogy.</p>
<p>Also, it should be noted after Theophilus Pashkovsky reunited with the ROCOR in the &#8217;30s, the local ROCOR and Metropolia bishops became part of one synod, and Theophilus himself did not function autonomously, but asked permission from the synod in Karlovtsy to do things like consecrate bishops and give clergy awards.</p>
<p>Most of this can be found in Serafim Surrency&#8217;s book, which used to be very hard to find, but I believe may have been reprinted.</p>
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		<title>By: orrologion</title>
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		<dc:creator>orrologion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While not concelebration proper, ROCOR and OCA bishops did commune together during the 2010 Episcopal Assembly in New York City.  The Liturgy was served by the Dean of the GOA Cathedral alone with the attending bishops communing in the altar.

There have also been unconfirmed comments that Bp Jerome participated in services with OCA bishops.  It&#039;s unclear whether this was a Liturgy, an ordination, a consecration, or whether it happened at all.  Hopefully, someone (maybe even His Grace) may be able to confirm this one way or the other - though it&#039;s a moot point, now.  Heck, praying together in the altar was a big step for ROCOR and OCA bishops given ROCOR&#039;s stance on prayer with heretics, schismatics, etc., and this went rather unnoticed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While not concelebration proper, ROCOR and OCA bishops did commune together during the 2010 Episcopal Assembly in New York City.  The Liturgy was served by the Dean of the GOA Cathedral alone with the attending bishops communing in the altar.</p>
<p>There have also been unconfirmed comments that Bp Jerome participated in services with OCA bishops.  It&#8217;s unclear whether this was a Liturgy, an ordination, a consecration, or whether it happened at all.  Hopefully, someone (maybe even His Grace) may be able to confirm this one way or the other &#8211; though it&#8217;s a moot point, now.  Heck, praying together in the altar was a big step for ROCOR and OCA bishops given ROCOR&#8217;s stance on prayer with heretics, schismatics, etc., and this went rather unnoticed.</p>
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		<title>By: orrologion</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxhistory.org/2011/06/15/rocor-oca-episcopal-concelebration/comment-page-1/#comment-1470</link>
		<dc:creator>orrologion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are correct.  Metropolitan Evlogy (Georgievsky) had been forced to leave Russia during the Civil War and had been charged, since 1920, by the Supreme Ecclesiastical Administration in the South of Russia, with the care of the parishes in western Europe, and had been established first in Berlin, then in Paris (1922).  By decrees 423 &amp; 424 of 8 April 1921, with the agreement of Metropolitan St. Benjamin of Petrograd who till then had jurisdiction over the religious institutions of the Russian Orthodox Church in western Europe (letter dated 21 June 1921), then Abp Evlogy was given responsibility for the Russian parishes in western Europe by Patriarch St. Tikhon.  This took place while it was still possible to communicate with St. Tikhon, prior to more confused decrees issued under obvious duress due to Soviet pressure.  Metropolitan Evlogy sat in the synod with the remainder of the ROCOR bishops.  

However, on May 5, 1922, a tri-lateral decree (O 347) from Patriarch Tikhon, the Holy Synod, and the Higher Church Council in Moscow was issued, ordering the
disbandment of ROCOR as the &quot;Higher Church Authority&quot; authorized in Ukaze 362.  All ROCOR parishes in Europe were to be placed under Met. Evlogy directly as he was the only bishop in Europe that was on the canonical territory of his own diocese - the other bishops of the HCA (ROCOR) were all bishops of dioceses in Russia, which they were
unable to occupy at the time due to the Soviet occupation of those places.  Archbishop Nikon (Rklitskii), in his series of books on the life of Metropolitan Anthony (Khrapovitsky), the first First Hierarch of ROCOR, records a letter from Metropolitan Evlogy to Metropolitan Anthony
which states: “Regarding this document, I do not recognize any mandatory power, even
though it was definitely written and signed by the Patriarch. The document has a political
character, not an ecclesiastical one. Outside the Soviet government, it does not have
meaning for anyone, anywhere.” (See Kostur, pp. 30-1)

Later, in 1927 Evlogy broke with the ROCOR (along with Metr. Platon (Rozhdestvensky) of New York, leader of the Russian Metropolia in America) and was subsequently condemned by them, splitting the Russian émigré community in Western Europe.

The primary point stands that Mets. Evlogy and Platon were bishops resident in their own dioceses rather than as emigre bishops.  Regardless of the canons and the wisdom involved, the 1922 tri-lateral decree seems
to be the beginning of church chaos abroad, causing confusion among the hierarchy, clergy and laity, both emigres and past immigrants living in Western Europe and North America.  (Again, see Kostur for more).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct.  Metropolitan Evlogy (Georgievsky) had been forced to leave Russia during the Civil War and had been charged, since 1920, by the Supreme Ecclesiastical Administration in the South of Russia, with the care of the parishes in western Europe, and had been established first in Berlin, then in Paris (1922).  By decrees 423 &amp; 424 of 8 April 1921, with the agreement of Metropolitan St. Benjamin of Petrograd who till then had jurisdiction over the religious institutions of the Russian Orthodox Church in western Europe (letter dated 21 June 1921), then Abp Evlogy was given responsibility for the Russian parishes in western Europe by Patriarch St. Tikhon.  This took place while it was still possible to communicate with St. Tikhon, prior to more confused decrees issued under obvious duress due to Soviet pressure.  Metropolitan Evlogy sat in the synod with the remainder of the ROCOR bishops.  </p>
<p>However, on May 5, 1922, a tri-lateral decree (O 347) from Patriarch Tikhon, the Holy Synod, and the Higher Church Council in Moscow was issued, ordering the<br />
disbandment of ROCOR as the &#8220;Higher Church Authority&#8221; authorized in Ukaze 362.  All ROCOR parishes in Europe were to be placed under Met. Evlogy directly as he was the only bishop in Europe that was on the canonical territory of his own diocese &#8211; the other bishops of the HCA (ROCOR) were all bishops of dioceses in Russia, which they were<br />
unable to occupy at the time due to the Soviet occupation of those places.  Archbishop Nikon (Rklitskii), in his series of books on the life of Metropolitan Anthony (Khrapovitsky), the first First Hierarch of ROCOR, records a letter from Metropolitan Evlogy to Metropolitan Anthony<br />
which states: “Regarding this document, I do not recognize any mandatory power, even<br />
though it was definitely written and signed by the Patriarch. The document has a political<br />
character, not an ecclesiastical one. Outside the Soviet government, it does not have<br />
meaning for anyone, anywhere.” (See Kostur, pp. 30-1)</p>
<p>Later, in 1927 Evlogy broke with the ROCOR (along with Metr. Platon (Rozhdestvensky) of New York, leader of the Russian Metropolia in America) and was subsequently condemned by them, splitting the Russian émigré community in Western Europe.</p>
<p>The primary point stands that Mets. Evlogy and Platon were bishops resident in their own dioceses rather than as emigre bishops.  Regardless of the canons and the wisdom involved, the 1922 tri-lateral decree seems<br />
to be the beginning of church chaos abroad, causing confusion among the hierarchy, clergy and laity, both emigres and past immigrants living in Western Europe and North America.  (Again, see Kostur for more).</p>
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		<title>By: JTeusink</title>
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		<dc:creator>JTeusink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Firstly, wasn&#039;t Metropolitan Eulogius as much a refugee as the hierarchs who remained with the ROCOR? And secondly, I wasn&#039;t personally aware of any hierarchical concelebrations between 2007 and this year&#039;s concelebration, but Bishop Tikhon of Philadelphia was present in the altar at the Jordanville Monastery during the funeral services for Metropolitan Laurus. (I was told he would have served were it not for the objections of the Serbian Orthodox bishop present.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, wasn&#8217;t Metropolitan Eulogius as much a refugee as the hierarchs who remained with the ROCOR? And secondly, I wasn&#8217;t personally aware of any hierarchical concelebrations between 2007 and this year&#8217;s concelebration, but Bishop Tikhon of Philadelphia was present in the altar at the Jordanville Monastery during the funeral services for Metropolitan Laurus. (I was told he would have served were it not for the objections of the Serbian Orthodox bishop present.)</p>
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