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		<title>By: gsarraf</title>
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		<dc:creator>gsarraf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just read this post (and comments 1-6) and must say you all make some great points here. The work of your  society is very important. You bring to life some of the most important issues that impact us all. Through my research, I can say with confidence that Christos Yannaras also uses similar language when generally describing the life and thought of Orthodox Christians during the twentieth century.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read this post (and comments 1-6) and must say you all make some great points here. The work of your  society is very important. You bring to life some of the most important issues that impact us all. Through my research, I can say with confidence that Christos Yannaras also uses similar language when generally describing the life and thought of Orthodox Christians during the twentieth century.</p>
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		<title>By: Isa Almisry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isa Almisry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 03:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When it comes to multiple jurisdictions, North America does not differ much from much of the Mother Churches over the same period of time.  Indeed, such disputes continue in the Mother Churches, as the struggle over Estonia, for instance, demonstrates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to multiple jurisdictions, North America does not differ much from much of the Mother Churches over the same period of time.  Indeed, such disputes continue in the Mother Churches, as the struggle over Estonia, for instance, demonstrates.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Encounter&#8221; vs. &#8220;reception&#8221; vs. solutions looking for problems &#171; Leitourgeia kai Qurbana: Contra den Zeitgeist</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Encounter&#8221; vs. &#8220;reception&#8221; vs. solutions looking for problems &#171; Leitourgeia kai Qurbana: Contra den Zeitgeist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Matthew Namee&#8217;s recent piece over at SOCHA, &#8220;Toward and American Orthodox historical nar..., looks to the concept of &#8220;encounter&#8221; as a way of talking about American Orthodox history &#8212; &#8220;Encounter between Orthodoxy and the West; encounter between long-isolated Orthodox ethnic groups; and encounter between the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox.&#8221; He expands on the notion of the encounter with the West using Orthodox youth as an example: From the beginning, American Orthodoxy has struggled to retain its young people. It didn’t help that, for decades (and in some churches, up to the present) Orthodoxy was treated as more of a cultural artifact than a living faith. Old languages were preserved, and English was resisted, and most young people didn’t care about the misguided justifications for using only Greek or Slavonic or Arabic or what have you. Who wants to worship in a language they can’t understand? And no matter how beautiful a language is, if the people can’t understand it, it has failed in its fundamental purpose: to communicate meaning. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Matthew Namee&#8217;s recent piece over at SOCHA, &#8220;Toward and American Orthodox historical nar&#8230;, looks to the concept of &#8220;encounter&#8221; as a way of talking about American Orthodox history &#8212; &#8220;Encounter between Orthodoxy and the West; encounter between long-isolated Orthodox ethnic groups; and encounter between the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox.&#8221; He expands on the notion of the encounter with the West using Orthodox youth as an example: From the beginning, American Orthodoxy has struggled to retain its young people. It didn’t help that, for decades (and in some churches, up to the present) Orthodoxy was treated as more of a cultural artifact than a living faith. Old languages were preserved, and English was resisted, and most young people didn’t care about the misguided justifications for using only Greek or Slavonic or Arabic or what have you. Who wants to worship in a language they can’t understand? And no matter how beautiful a language is, if the people can’t understand it, it has failed in its fundamental purpose: to communicate meaning. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: George Matsoukas</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxhistory.org/2012/01/03/toward-an-american-orthodox-historical-narrative/comment-page-1/#comment-1848</link>
		<dc:creator>George Matsoukas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The narrative of the American Orthodox Church must include the fact that the People of God who make up this community labored in American with the hope of a unified Church and that this church was built up from a grass roots level.  The early leaders including St Tikon, St Raphael Hawaweeny and even Patriarch Meletios Metaxakis concluded from working in the vineyard of the New World that Orthodoxy must be unified in this geographical area.  While researching the history of the development of the Greek Orthodox Community in West Palm Beach I learned that this church was encouraged and developed by the 25 founding families which included Orthodox Christians of other jurisdictions who had no Church in the area.   AHEPA members were the patron.  They were integrated into the community, had the contacts with local bankers, builders, county engineers and the greater non-Orthodox Community including  Christians and Jews who  contributed time and talent and resources  to building a Greek Orthodox Church.  How many other churches experienced their development in this way?  

The foundation of our church building development took place before the 1960’s and were grassroots and local enterprises.   Indeed many were built before  ethnic archdioceses came into existence.  The church here was organized to be autonomous as the early charters indicate. Since the 1920’s the ancient Patriarchates have done all they can do to erode the autonomy of the American church.  The great example is the development of the latest charter imposed upon the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese by the Patriarch of Constantinople despite the arguments and petitions presented to it by participants of  the Los Angles Clergy Laity Congress at the end of the 1990’s and the over 4,000 names gathered and sent by Orthodox Christian Laity.     

During this same time period American Orthodox Christians helped preserve Orthodoxy in Europe.  Cold War politics enabled Archbishop Athenagoras to become Patriarch in Turkey and he flew back to his homeland in the airplane of the U.S. President.  Orthodox faithful who came from what were to become communist dominated lands kept the faith alive by sending and carrying books into those lands. They participated in the American political system as citizens and voters and were able to influence foreign policy.  This history of  American Orthodoxy needs  to include that history in its narrative.   The fact that the autonomy of the American Church was negated after the fall of communism  is part of the story.

The new waves of immigrants after the 1960’s took what they found and insisted on adhering to their ethnicity.  The parish of St Catherine in West Palm Beach is now very ethnic and has become a destination Church for those interested in holding receptions in Palm Beach.  The new wave of immigrants from the former communist dominated lands are influencing the OCA, Romanian and other jurisdictions.  The Church has also developed to accept converts and seekers that find the Historical and Apostolic Church.  These faithful are helping us better communicate with the general Christian public.  But I see that how they have been brought into the Church is creating a separate entity.  They seem to write and print information that stresses differences between cradle and convert Orthodox.  We also have the rise of monasticism in the United States.  In the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese these institutions insist on using Greek and are almost hostile to the use of English.   It behooves them to teach and demonstrate the great gift of  Orthodox spirituality in English.   All these recent trends are regressive.    We wonder where is the leadership within the Church to bring about unity- - -which is the roots of Orthodoxy in America.          

Orthodox Christians living the faith for the last 110 years in America have at grass roots levels worked together to build and to do the work of the church.  The laity formed what were formerly SCOBA Agencies such as IOCC,  Orthodox Christian Fellowship, Senior Housing, Children Care and Adoption Centers and outreach to Feed the Poor  Hungry and Homeless.  In nineteen sixty three the Triumph of Orthodoxy in America was the organizing, hosting and successful presentation of unity at the Eastern Orthodox Religious Cultural Festival presented by the Council of Eastern Orthodox Youth Leaders of the Americas CEOYLA.  Orthodox Christian veterans returning from World War Two were the catalysts of this grass roots movement.  By mid-1960’s CEOYLA had a membership of over 50,000 individuals.   How and why was this movement allowed to dissipate?  Why has not Orthodox Christian Fellowship – the program for youth on college campuses been a priority by the hierarchy?  It lacks funding and organization. At the 20th Anniversary Meeting of Orthodox Christian Laity it was made known to us that youth on are college campuses seek to be unified so that they can remain Orthodox.  Where will all these flowers go if we maintain fragmentation and promote counterproductive trends.        

In 2008 the hierarchy worldwide came to the realization that Orthodoxy in lands outside of the Roman Empire         - the so called diaspora need to be regularized.  Assemblies of Bishops have been moving very slowly since then on matters of administration.  Old world patriarchs cannot agree on how to work with the diaspora. The concept is alien to Christianity.  The real issue before them is to decide when the New World Churches – all those outside of the Roman Empire will be autocephalous.   The dependence on forces whether they be foreign or national interests, ancient patriarchates, global interests, internal appointed leadership dedicated to preserve the status quo,   archons and awards, do not serve Orthodoxy in America.  Our Church is where our bishops are in specific geographic areas and we strive to live sacramental lives within our churches in order to prepare for a state of theosis-being one with God.  Our narrative needs to address all these issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The narrative of the American Orthodox Church must include the fact that the People of God who make up this community labored in American with the hope of a unified Church and that this church was built up from a grass roots level.  The early leaders including St Tikon, St Raphael Hawaweeny and even Patriarch Meletios Metaxakis concluded from working in the vineyard of the New World that Orthodoxy must be unified in this geographical area.  While researching the history of the development of the Greek Orthodox Community in West Palm Beach I learned that this church was encouraged and developed by the 25 founding families which included Orthodox Christians of other jurisdictions who had no Church in the area.   AHEPA members were the patron.  They were integrated into the community, had the contacts with local bankers, builders, county engineers and the greater non-Orthodox Community including  Christians and Jews who  contributed time and talent and resources  to building a Greek Orthodox Church.  How many other churches experienced their development in this way?  </p>
<p>The foundation of our church building development took place before the 1960’s and were grassroots and local enterprises.   Indeed many were built before  ethnic archdioceses came into existence.  The church here was organized to be autonomous as the early charters indicate. Since the 1920’s the ancient Patriarchates have done all they can do to erode the autonomy of the American church.  The great example is the development of the latest charter imposed upon the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese by the Patriarch of Constantinople despite the arguments and petitions presented to it by participants of  the Los Angles Clergy Laity Congress at the end of the 1990’s and the over 4,000 names gathered and sent by Orthodox Christian Laity.     </p>
<p>During this same time period American Orthodox Christians helped preserve Orthodoxy in Europe.  Cold War politics enabled Archbishop Athenagoras to become Patriarch in Turkey and he flew back to his homeland in the airplane of the U.S. President.  Orthodox faithful who came from what were to become communist dominated lands kept the faith alive by sending and carrying books into those lands. They participated in the American political system as citizens and voters and were able to influence foreign policy.  This history of  American Orthodoxy needs  to include that history in its narrative.   The fact that the autonomy of the American Church was negated after the fall of communism  is part of the story.</p>
<p>The new waves of immigrants after the 1960’s took what they found and insisted on adhering to their ethnicity.  The parish of St Catherine in West Palm Beach is now very ethnic and has become a destination Church for those interested in holding receptions in Palm Beach.  The new wave of immigrants from the former communist dominated lands are influencing the OCA, Romanian and other jurisdictions.  The Church has also developed to accept converts and seekers that find the Historical and Apostolic Church.  These faithful are helping us better communicate with the general Christian public.  But I see that how they have been brought into the Church is creating a separate entity.  They seem to write and print information that stresses differences between cradle and convert Orthodox.  We also have the rise of monasticism in the United States.  In the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese these institutions insist on using Greek and are almost hostile to the use of English.   It behooves them to teach and demonstrate the great gift of  Orthodox spirituality in English.   All these recent trends are regressive.    We wonder where is the leadership within the Church to bring about unity- &#8211; -which is the roots of Orthodoxy in America.          </p>
<p>Orthodox Christians living the faith for the last 110 years in America have at grass roots levels worked together to build and to do the work of the church.  The laity formed what were formerly SCOBA Agencies such as IOCC,  Orthodox Christian Fellowship, Senior Housing, Children Care and Adoption Centers and outreach to Feed the Poor  Hungry and Homeless.  In nineteen sixty three the Triumph of Orthodoxy in America was the organizing, hosting and successful presentation of unity at the Eastern Orthodox Religious Cultural Festival presented by the Council of Eastern Orthodox Youth Leaders of the Americas CEOYLA.  Orthodox Christian veterans returning from World War Two were the catalysts of this grass roots movement.  By mid-1960’s CEOYLA had a membership of over 50,000 individuals.   How and why was this movement allowed to dissipate?  Why has not Orthodox Christian Fellowship – the program for youth on college campuses been a priority by the hierarchy?  It lacks funding and organization. At the 20th Anniversary Meeting of Orthodox Christian Laity it was made known to us that youth on are college campuses seek to be unified so that they can remain Orthodox.  Where will all these flowers go if we maintain fragmentation and promote counterproductive trends.        </p>
<p>In 2008 the hierarchy worldwide came to the realization that Orthodoxy in lands outside of the Roman Empire         &#8211; the so called diaspora need to be regularized.  Assemblies of Bishops have been moving very slowly since then on matters of administration.  Old world patriarchs cannot agree on how to work with the diaspora. The concept is alien to Christianity.  The real issue before them is to decide when the New World Churches – all those outside of the Roman Empire will be autocephalous.   The dependence on forces whether they be foreign or national interests, ancient patriarchates, global interests, internal appointed leadership dedicated to preserve the status quo,   archons and awards, do not serve Orthodoxy in America.  Our Church is where our bishops are in specific geographic areas and we strive to live sacramental lives within our churches in order to prepare for a state of theosis-being one with God.  Our narrative needs to address all these issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Namee</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxhistory.org/2012/01/03/toward-an-american-orthodox-historical-narrative/comment-page-1/#comment-1847</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Namee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s right -- it didn&#039;t last very long. San Francisco did have a strong multiethnic community from its founding the 1860s into the very early 20th century (when the Greeks started their own church). Seattle lasted about 20 years. Portland had a multiethnic chapel for a decade or so, after which the Greeks founded a church. But for a long time after that, the other Orthodox people seem to have attended the Greek church, so I&#039;d say the multiethnic element persisted to some degree there.

New York split up very quickly. Chicago too. But New Orleans and Galveston seem to have remained pretty diverse for a long time.

Some of this depends on how you pick your dates. Galveston didn&#039;t get a formal church until the mid-1890s, but there was a self-conscious Orthodox community there beginning in the 1860s. The New Orleans church started in either 1865 or &#039;67, but the community predated it by a decade or more.

See, the problem with the &quot;myth of unity&quot; is that it&#039;s one-sided. It ignores the very real disunity that existed from the beginning. But in the past, I worry that I&#039;ve pushed back so hard against that myth that I&#039;ve discounted the actual unity that coexisted alongside the disunity. The fact is that, just as today, there was a mix of unity and disunity, of cooperation and separation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right &#8212; it didn&#8217;t last very long. San Francisco did have a strong multiethnic community from its founding the 1860s into the very early 20th century (when the Greeks started their own church). Seattle lasted about 20 years. Portland had a multiethnic chapel for a decade or so, after which the Greeks founded a church. But for a long time after that, the other Orthodox people seem to have attended the Greek church, so I&#8217;d say the multiethnic element persisted to some degree there.</p>
<p>New York split up very quickly. Chicago too. But New Orleans and Galveston seem to have remained pretty diverse for a long time.</p>
<p>Some of this depends on how you pick your dates. Galveston didn&#8217;t get a formal church until the mid-1890s, but there was a self-conscious Orthodox community there beginning in the 1860s. The New Orleans church started in either 1865 or &#8217;67, but the community predated it by a decade or more.</p>
<p>See, the problem with the &#8220;myth of unity&#8221; is that it&#8217;s one-sided. It ignores the very real disunity that existed from the beginning. But in the past, I worry that I&#8217;ve pushed back so hard against that myth that I&#8217;ve discounted the actual unity that coexisted alongside the disunity. The fact is that, just as today, there was a mix of unity and disunity, of cooperation and separation.</p>
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		<title>By: Fr. Oliver Herbel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr. Oliver Herbel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very true.  That IS the idea we must promote and I think we&#039;re writing things in full concord.  I just didn&#039;t want people thinking it lasted too long or that there was some conscious fracturing.  That&#039;s all.  The fracturing just seemed &quot;natural&quot; to a lot of immigrants once the numbers increased.  I see us Orthodox, now, as needing to uphold the exception that proved the rule.  The rule is ethnic jurisdictions.  The exception, however, must now become the rule.  Can it?  I don&#039;t know, but I would agree that the Assembly of Bishops gives us the best shot we&#039;ve had yet.  I also think that the Assembly, as it progresses, can address the problems you noted, especially the first (bizarre clergy).  One thing worth noting, perhaps, for the clergy, is not only bizarre convert priests, which is a real problem, all too real, but even odd &quot;cradle&quot; priests.  In general, we need better screening and catechesis for all clergy candidates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true.  That IS the idea we must promote and I think we&#8217;re writing things in full concord.  I just didn&#8217;t want people thinking it lasted too long or that there was some conscious fracturing.  That&#8217;s all.  The fracturing just seemed &#8220;natural&#8221; to a lot of immigrants once the numbers increased.  I see us Orthodox, now, as needing to uphold the exception that proved the rule.  The rule is ethnic jurisdictions.  The exception, however, must now become the rule.  Can it?  I don&#8217;t know, but I would agree that the Assembly of Bishops gives us the best shot we&#8217;ve had yet.  I also think that the Assembly, as it progresses, can address the problems you noted, especially the first (bizarre clergy).  One thing worth noting, perhaps, for the clergy, is not only bizarre convert priests, which is a real problem, all too real, but even odd &#8220;cradle&#8221; priests.  In general, we need better screening and catechesis for all clergy candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Namee</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxhistory.org/2012/01/03/toward-an-american-orthodox-historical-narrative/comment-page-1/#comment-1844</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Namee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the early multiethnic parishes -- I don&#039;t see any conflict between what you and I are saying. If you set aside the ex-Uniate parishes, the other early parishes featured a great deal of inter-ethnic cooperation:

New Orleans
San Francisco
Galveston
New York
Chicago
Portland
Seattle

All those parishes were founded in the 1890s, and all originally were multiethnic. Yes, of course they broke apart into ethnic parishes as soon as the numbers permitted, but that was sort of my point: in the beginning, there was a recognition that we&#039;re all Orthodox and we need to cooperate. As the numbers for each ethnic group increased, the need for cooperation became less acute, and ethnic fragmentation began. But that original idea -- we&#039;re fundamentally the same, and we need each other -- is the same idea that we must promote today if we&#039;re ever to have a unified American Church.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the early multiethnic parishes &#8212; I don&#8217;t see any conflict between what you and I are saying. If you set aside the ex-Uniate parishes, the other early parishes featured a great deal of inter-ethnic cooperation:</p>
<p>New Orleans<br />
San Francisco<br />
Galveston<br />
New York<br />
Chicago<br />
Portland<br />
Seattle</p>
<p>All those parishes were founded in the 1890s, and all originally were multiethnic. Yes, of course they broke apart into ethnic parishes as soon as the numbers permitted, but that was sort of my point: in the beginning, there was a recognition that we&#8217;re all Orthodox and we need to cooperate. As the numbers for each ethnic group increased, the need for cooperation became less acute, and ethnic fragmentation began. But that original idea &#8212; we&#8217;re fundamentally the same, and we need each other &#8212; is the same idea that we must promote today if we&#8217;re ever to have a unified American Church.</p>
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		<title>By: Fr. Oliver Herbel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr. Oliver Herbel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 14:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The various groups working together early on is quite early on.  Really, it seems that once you had a decent group of more than one ethnicity, they split.  I don&#039;t see that cooperation as really, honestly being much except in isolated cases (Galveston, TX or WA or very briefly in Chicago).  Of course, the Serbs and Arabs stayed in the Russian Archdiocese, but there had been talk of the former separating for some time and the latter did separate before Red October&#039;s effect could be felt over here.  Perhaps the examples of cooperation should be highlighted but it seems fleeting to me, when I look at the history.

All of this is to say that although I think you have your eye on a key word--encounter, the narrative of that encounter still needs to be written.  There&#039;s much more work to do.

And on that note, I truly appreciate the two problems you&#039;ve highlighted.  Both are real--all too real.  Concerning clergy, I once told a friend that in Orthodoxy, I see both the best pastors I&#039;ve ever seen and the worst I&#039;ve ever seen (in comparison to my experiences and observations across American Christianity).  We&#039;ll never eliminate sin, but I agree that we need some better steps in place.  For instance, to get into Luther Seminary, I had to go through psychological screening.  For SVS?  Nope.  Not a hint of such analysis.  There really are some basic things we could do.  With youth, the same applies.  Keep an active Sunday/church school.  Of course, there one has parents who treat Orthodoxy as a neat cultural relic and do keep that in mind.  Priests and teachers can only work with the students who attend, but that said, work we must!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The various groups working together early on is quite early on.  Really, it seems that once you had a decent group of more than one ethnicity, they split.  I don&#8217;t see that cooperation as really, honestly being much except in isolated cases (Galveston, TX or WA or very briefly in Chicago).  Of course, the Serbs and Arabs stayed in the Russian Archdiocese, but there had been talk of the former separating for some time and the latter did separate before Red October&#8217;s effect could be felt over here.  Perhaps the examples of cooperation should be highlighted but it seems fleeting to me, when I look at the history.</p>
<p>All of this is to say that although I think you have your eye on a key word&#8211;encounter, the narrative of that encounter still needs to be written.  There&#8217;s much more work to do.</p>
<p>And on that note, I truly appreciate the two problems you&#8217;ve highlighted.  Both are real&#8211;all too real.  Concerning clergy, I once told a friend that in Orthodoxy, I see both the best pastors I&#8217;ve ever seen and the worst I&#8217;ve ever seen (in comparison to my experiences and observations across American Christianity).  We&#8217;ll never eliminate sin, but I agree that we need some better steps in place.  For instance, to get into Luther Seminary, I had to go through psychological screening.  For SVS?  Nope.  Not a hint of such analysis.  There really are some basic things we could do.  With youth, the same applies.  Keep an active Sunday/church school.  Of course, there one has parents who treat Orthodoxy as a neat cultural relic and do keep that in mind.  Priests and teachers can only work with the students who attend, but that said, work we must!</p>
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		<title>By: Toward an American Orthodox historical narrative - Christian Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toward an American Orthodox historical narrative - Christian Forums</dc:creator>
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